role: assistant

text:
Use this:

```text
By “within the settlement discussion,” I mean right now — the pre-mediation settlement discussion.
```


role: user

text: say - ok - are you willing to say that to the mediator?  my understanding is that the mediator will lean heavily on MO law.


text:
Use this:

```text
Ok. Are you willing to say that to the mediator? My understanding is that the mediator will still lean heavily on Missouri law.
```


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text: say - that is amazing news.  i am hearing differently from my lawyer.


text:
Use this:

```text
That is amazing news. I am hearing something quite different from my lawyer.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_amazing_news_hearing_differently_from_lawyer.txt`.


text: say - that was my question at the beginning of this conversation - can we just argue fairness without leaning on whatever horrible system MO has in place.


text:
Use this:

```text
That was really my question at the beginning of this conversation: can we argue fairness directly, without leaning on whatever horrible system Missouri has in place?
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_can_we_argue_fairness_directly.txt`.


text: say - my lawyer told me that MO law would still rule the day in mediation.  asking for retirement protection, for example, is way out of line.


text:
Use this:

```text
My lawyer told me that Missouri law would still largely rule the day in mediation, and that asking for meaningful retirement protection would be viewed as well outside what Missouri ordinarily provides.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_lawyer_says_missouri_rules_day_in_mediation.txt`.


text: say - in her words, without a postnup, you're fucked.


text:
Use this:

```text
In her words, without a postnup, you’re fucked.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_without_a_postnup_youre_fucked.txt`.


text: say - well you have said things that indicated you were relying on what a court would do.  so i am seriously relieved to hear you're willing to negotiate from a genuine faireness position.


text:
Use this:

```text
Well, you have said things that made it sound as though you were relying on what a court would typically do. So I’m genuinely relieved to hear that you’re willing to negotiate from a genuine fairness position.
```


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text: what was Lisa's exact quote about typical court yada yada?


text:
The exact quote is:

`records/communications/lisa_text_messages_last14d.txt:551`

```text
I want to be honest about something that’s also shaping how I’m thinking about this. In the conversations I’ve had with lawyers so far, the consistent guidance has been that what you’re describing would likely be viewed as more than what a court would typically order, especially in terms of duration and overall level of support. I’m not saying that to argue with you, but it does make me hesitant to assume a structure that goes beyond what’s usually considered reasonable without really working through the numbers carefully or having mediation involved.
```


text:
say - right, but in earlier discussions you've said "the
  consistent guidance has been that what you’re
  describing would likely be viewed as more than
  what a court would typically order".

i just want to make sure we're targetting actual fairness, not just what a MO court would say.


text:
Use this:

```text
Right, but in earlier discussions you said that “the consistent guidance has been that what you’re describing would likely be viewed as more than what a court would typically order.”

I just want to make sure we’re targeting actual fairness here, and not just what a Missouri court would say.
```


text: add - i am very comfortable finding what fairness actually means to both of us.


text:
Use this:

```text
Right, but in earlier discussions you said that “the consistent guidance has been that what you’re describing would likely be viewed as more than what a court would typically order.”

I just want to make sure we’re targeting actual fairness here, and not just what a Missouri court would say. I am very comfortable with us working out what fairness actually means for both of us.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_targeting_actual_fairness_not_just_missouri_court.txt`.


text: say - oh.  ok.  yes.  i do know that.  apparently in MO retirement isn't even discussed.


text:
Use this:

```text
Oh. Ok. Yes, I do understand that. My point is that, as I understand it, in Missouri retirement protection is barely even part of the conversation.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_in_missouri_retirement_barely_part_of_conversation.txt`.


text: say - ok - that makes sense.  i'd argue that the other issues aren't irrlevant to fairness - but that yes - need is a big part of it.


text:
Use this:

```text
Ok, that makes sense. I would argue that the other issues are not irrelevant to fairness, but yes, I understand that need is a big part of the framework.
```


text: send this.


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text: say - that's perfect.  and i'm perfectly comfortable getting rid of support if it turns out i can fully support myself.  i'm just afraid it won't... i guess i don't have high hopes for our world right now.


text:
Use this:

```text
That makes sense, and I’m comfortable with that. If it turns out I can fully support myself, I’m perfectly willing for support to fall away.

My fear is simply that it won’t turn out that way. I don’t have especially high hopes about where the world is heading right now, and I’m trying to be realistic about that.
```


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text: say - and about the actual numbers - i don't see my mom's or Juno's support as being a big factor, in the grand scheme of things.  i know it's sticky in the beginning, but there are financial tricks to fix that.


text:
Use this:

```text
And on the actual numbers, I don’t see my mom’s care or support for Juno as being especially large factors in the grand scheme of things. I understand that they make the short-term picture stickier, but those are the kinds of issues that can usually be handled with structure.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_mom_and_juno_not_big_factors_grand_scheme.txt`.


text: what was the monthly retirement number i sent to Lisa earlier in this conversation?


text: I’m pulling your own sent messages in this thread to find the exact monthly retirement number you gave Lisa earlier.


text:
Earlier in this conversation, the monthly retirement number you sent Lisa was:

- `"$7,660/month"` in `2036` dollars, assuming `3%` annual inflation
- based on `30%` of `$19,000/month`, which you also stated as `"$5,700/month"` in today’s dollars

Exact message:
- `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_30_percent_of_19k_in_2036_dollars.txt`

```text
What I would want is 30% of what I otherwise would have had. So if we use $19,000/month as the baseline, 30% of that is $5,700/month in today’s dollars. In 2036 dollars, assuming 3% annual inflation, that is about $7,660/month.
```


text: and how much would i need to accumulate by 2036 to support that kind of retirement income?


text: Calculating the retirement capital needed to support `$7,660/month` using standard withdrawal-rate assumptions.


text:
To support `$7,660/month` in retirement, you’d need roughly:

- `~$2.30M` at a `4%` withdrawal rate
- `~$2.63M` at a `3.5%` withdrawal rate
- `~$3.06M` at a `3%` withdrawal rate

That income is `$91,920/year`.

So the short answer is: `about $2.3M-$3.1M by 2036`, depending on how conservative you want to be.


text: say - if it'll make the 30% settlement work for you - i am comfortable letting you live in the house without paying me for it.  i don't need that money anytime soon.


text:
Use this:

```text
If it would help make the 30% settlement workable for you, I’m comfortable letting you stay in the house without paying me for my share right away. I don’t need that money anytime soon.
```


text: Sent exactly as saved in `outbox/messages/2026-03-27_to_lisa_ok_with_delayed_house_equity_if_30_percent_works.txt`.


text: say - if you want the house, i'm very open to finding ways for you to keep it.


text:
Use this:

```text
If you want to keep the house, I’m very open to finding ways to make that possible.
```


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text: say - good.  is there anything else i can do to make you feel better?


text:
Use this:

```text
Good. Is there anything else I can do to make this feel more workable for you?
```


text: send this.


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text: say - and i don't know if it makes sense to you - but having savings is much less an issue when you have a guarenteed income from the trust.  in effect, the entire trust is your savings.  you definitely should not need to worry about that.


text:
Use this:

```text
And I don’t know whether this framing is useful to you, but to me the savings issue looks different when there is a guaranteed trust income stream behind it. In practical terms, the trust itself functions as your long-term savings base. That’s why I don’t think you should need to feel financially precarious in the ordinary sense.
```


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