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text: oh - about the "grinding gears" - it's been a long standing issue with Lisa where i will complain about an issue and she'll respond "but i didn't mean to" and the impact is never addressed, and the issue repeats repeatedly.


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text:
That changes my read. If this is a long-standing pattern, then `intent vs impact` is not just a jab. It is your shorthand for the mechanism: you raise harm, she answers with lack of intent, and the actual effect on you never gets examined, so nothing changes.

The clean way to say it is:

“I understand you didn’t intend it. The recurring problem for me is that once you say that, the impact stops being addressed. That’s the part that has repeated for years.”

Or a little firmer:

“I’m not accusing you of bad intent. I’m saying that in our history, ‘I didn’t mean to’ has often functioned as the end of the discussion, while the impact on me remains unresolved.”

That is a coherent complaint. It is not the same thing as claiming malice.


text: yep.  i wish i'd had you speak for me.  i'll try to do that more going forward.  speaking of which, we have a new message from Lisa.  can you pull?


text: I’m pulling the latest Lisa thread with the local sync script, then I’ll give you the newest messages only.


text: The tail came back first; I’m checking the sync result now so I can confirm we’re not missing anything newer than the card message.


text:
Newest message from Lisa is from `2026-03-07 09:21 CT`.

She says she wants to be respectful of your time with your mom, but since you mentioned moving forward with a retainer and lawyers, she wants to float another path. She says she took seriously the framework you had suggested: one-third of the trust distributions, half the house equity, and naming you as beneficiary on her life insurance. She says she’d be open to using those general parameters as a starting point for an agreement.

She also says the divorce attorney told her lawyer-driven negotiations can easily run around `$30,000` in legal fees, and that it would be a shame to burn that much of your shared resources if you can work it out directly.


text: ok - how should we respond, do you think?


text: I’m reading this as the first genuinely constructive financial opening she’s made in a while. I’d keep the reply narrow: acknowledge it, preserve the chance to work directly, and avoid locking yourself into fine print before you have bandwidth.


text:
I’d treat this as a real opening and keep the reply disciplined. She moved toward your framework. Don’t argue side issues in this message. Just acknowledge the opening, say you’d prefer to avoid burning money on lawyers too, and keep the terms at the “general parameters / starting point” level for now.

I’d send something like:

“I appreciate you saying that. I agree it would be a shame to spend that much on legal fees if we can work out the basic structure ourselves.

I’m open to using those general parameters as a starting framework for discussion. I’m not treating that as a final agreement yet, but I do think it’s enough of a basis to see whether we can reach something sensible directly and then have counsel review it.

I’m still with my mom and may be slow, but yes, I’d rather try that first than turn this into a fully lawyer-driven negotiation.”

If you want, I can tighten that further or make it a little firmer about the unresolved fairness/postnup issue without derailing the opening.


text: but i want to address the unanswered question in the room.  the fairness issue.


text:
Then I’d answer in two moves: accept the opening, and explicitly reserve the fairness question.

I would not call her bad-faith in this text. I would say the question remains material, and you’re not willing to proceed as though it doesn’t matter.

Draft:

I appreciate you saying that. I agree it would be a shame to spend that much on legal fees if we can work out the basic structure ourselves.

I’m open to using those general parameters as a starting framework for discussion. That said, I don’t want to proceed as though the fairness question in the room doesn’t matter. The unanswered postnuptial question still goes directly to basic fairness for me: whether, if the financial imbalance had been addressed while the marriage was intact, you would have agreed it should be corrected.

If you’re willing to answer that directly, I think it would help. If not, then I think we should treat that as a question for counsel while still seeing whether the broader framework can be worked out directly.

I’m still with my mom and may be slow, but I wanted to respond.

If you want it firmer, I’d change only one line:

I’m open to using those general parameters as a starting framework for discussion, but I’m not comfortable resuming substantive financial discussion while the postnuptial/fairness question is being left unanswered.

That version has more edge. The first one is more likely to keep the door open.


text: can we include the bit about withholding isn't collaborative?


text:
Yes. I’d include it, but as a principle rather than a direct accusation. That keeps it harder to dismiss.

```text
I appreciate you saying that. I agree it would be a shame to spend that much on legal fees if we can work out the basic structure ourselves.

I’m open to using those general parameters as a starting framework for discussion. That said, I don’t want to proceed as though the fairness question in the room doesn’t matter. The unanswered postnuptial question still goes directly to basic fairness for me: whether, if the financial imbalance had been addressed while the marriage was intact, you would have agreed it should be corrected.

When information that is directly relevant to basic fairness is being withheld, I don’t think that’s a cooperative basis for substantive financial discussion. If you’re willing to answer that directly, I think it would help. If not, then I think we should treat it as a question for counsel while still seeing whether the broader framework can be worked out directly.

I’m still with my mom and may be slow, but I wanted to respond.
```

If you want, I can make that one notch sharper.


text: let's go with the firmer shorted version.


text:
Use this:

I appreciate you saying that. I agree it would be a shame to spend that much on legal fees if we can work out the basic structure ourselves.

I’m open to using those general parameters as a starting framework for discussion, but I’m not comfortable resuming substantive financial discussion while the postnuptial/fairness question is being left unanswered. It still goes directly to basic fairness for me: whether, if the financial imbalance had been addressed while the marriage was intact, you would have agreed it should be corrected.

When information that is directly relevant to basic fairness is being withheld, I don’t think that’s a cooperative basis for substantive financial discussion. If you’re willing to answer that directly, I think it would help. If not, then I think we should treat it as a question for counsel while still seeing whether the broader framework can be worked out directly.

I’m still with my mom and may be slow, but I wanted to respond.


text: send it.


text: I’m logging the exact text you approved to `outbox/messages/`, then I’ll send that file verbatim to Lisa.


text: The exact text is on disk now. I’m sending that file verbatim, without rewriting it in the command.


text: Sent exactly as written, and logged at [outbox/messages/2026-03-07_to_lisa_fairness_question_before_financial_discussion.txt](/Users/qarl/project/divorce/outbox/messages/2026-03-07_to_lisa_fairness_question_before_financial_discussion.txt).


text: pull messages


text: I’m refreshing the Lisa thread with the local sync script, then I’ll show just the newest messages so we’re on the current edge.


text:
Newest from Lisa is `2026-03-07 09:49 CT`.

She says:
- she understands the postnup question is a real sticking point and tied to your sense of fairness
- she is hesitant to give a definitive answer in writing about what she would have agreed to, because she’s uncomfortable making a speculative statement in writing and doesn’t know how it might later be interpreted
- what she can say is that if the issue had been raised then, she would have wanted to be fair
- she also says she would have wanted legal advice first to understand what was fair and what the implications were
- beyond that, she says she honestly doesn’t know what she would have decided because she doesn’t know what the information would have shown

So: not a yes/no answer, but materially more than her earlier refusal.


text: yes.  agreed.  i have one question - if she's unclear to those terms (whether they are fair) why is she now saying she'll agree to those exact terms.  does she believe they are fair now?


text:
Probably not in the strong sense you mean.

What her `2026-03-07` message suggests is:

- She thinks those terms are at least plausible enough to use as a settlement starting point now.
- She does not want to say they were clearly fair in `2022`.
- She is preserving the distinction between:
  - `I might agree to this now, with legal advice, to settle`, and
  - `I would have agreed to this back then because it was the fair thing to do`.

So no, I would not read her message as “yes, I now affirm those terms are fair.” I would read it as: “I’m willing to discuss something in that neighborhood now, but I’m not going to give you a written admission that I would have signed it earlier.”

That is also why the two positions can coexist without being logically inconsistent:
- `2022 hypothetical`: she says she would have wanted legal advice and doesn’t know what she would have decided.
- `2026 settlement`: she may now see those numbers as acceptable, efficient, or close enough to avoid spending `$30,000` on lawyers.

So your instinct is directionally right: her new message is a partial concession. But it is not the same as conceding the historical fairness point.


text: yes, i understand that.  i'm not asking her to concede the old question - i'm asking if she's comfortable that it's fair(ish) now.


text:
Yes. That is a cleaner question.

It separates:
- `Would you have signed it then?`
- `Do you think these terms are roughly fair now?`

That second question is narrower, more practical, and harder for her to dodge without looking evasive.

I’d phrase it like this:

Are you saying that, as you sit here now, you believe those general terms are fair in broad strokes, subject to legal review and refinement?

Or slightly softer:

Just to be clear, are you saying that you view those general terms as roughly fair now, even if the details would still need to be worked out with counsel?

I’d use `fair in broad strokes` or `roughly fair`, not `fair-ish`. It lands better.


text: yes, let's send the first version.


text: I’m logging the exact question you chose to `outbox/messages/`, then I’ll send that file verbatim to Lisa.


text: The exact text is saved. I’m sending that file verbatim now.


text: Sent exactly as written, and logged at [outbox/messages/2026-03-07_to_lisa_are_terms_fair_in_broad_strokes_now.txt](/Users/qarl/project/divorce/outbox/messages/2026-03-07_to_lisa_are_terms_fair_in_broad_strokes_now.txt).